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AUSTRIA
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1886 (has 17.5mm muzzle ring not the 16.3 of the1888)
Cross guard markings on 1886
Unit markings on 1886
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An 1888 NCO model that has been poorly cleaned up resulting in the apparent loss of the rivets in the crossguard and the almost total loss of the adjusting screw on the muzzle ring. A good example (?) of why care must be taken in cleaning old bayonets.
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1886 or 1888 with removed muzzle ring
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ARS ARM made, very rough quality compared to later Italicised ARS ARM made versions and later OEWG made models
Early straight pattern ARS ARM markings
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1895 ARS ARM made
Italicised ARS ARM markings 1895 which are a later model than the straight markings version above, these have a better finish than the earlier version.
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1895 with removed muzzle ring, manufacturer AB
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1895 converted for German use by removing the muzzle ring
Manufacturing marking stf is thought to be Steyr
Scabbard has OEWG markings
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Ernst Busch made 1895 1917 dated on spine
Busch makers marks
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1895 made by Ferlach, stamp is a joined O, M and C
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1895 Mannlicher OEWG made
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M1895 made in Hungary
FGGY markings on Hungarian made 1895
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STF made 1895
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Variation in STF mark with extra square stamp
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Private made 1895, with private purchase frog. maker uses crossed swords logo. Blade is nickel plated
Crossed swords maker mark on Ricasso
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Dress 1895 no markings on blade
Has dummy press stud, there is no locking mechanism in the pommel
Press stud is brazed on
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Dress 1895
Hilt has WE ? under a crown brass insert
OEWG made
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1895 with Crowned F badge fixed to grips
Close up of the hilt badge fixed to the hilt
Crossed swords maker mark, is just visible on the ricasso
Vestigial slot in pommel would make it impossible to mount on rifle
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1895 fitted with wire cutter on scabbard possibly Portuguese
Cutters bayonet and scabbard
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Austrian 1895 Cavalry NCO in Italian scabbard, but with Austrian Frog and Knot
Knot tied through pommel ring and around Quillion
Pommel ring detail
Unit markings on Pommel are for 22nd ? weapon 198
Frog is Austrian but scabbard is Italian style
Frog is unmarked
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Ceremonial 1895 NCO with all metal parts chrome/nickel plated and frog with fancy woven strap
W mark on ricasso, I think this is the mark of the company that reworked the blade, and may be the same as the one that uses the Outlined W mark
Original OEWG makers mark
Ornate Frog
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M1895 unmarked as an export piece
40 mark on crossguard is the only marking on the blade
Scabbard has OE over WG mark on the frog stud
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M1895 by unknown maker
Acceptance mark
Unknown W makers mark - actually a composite Monogram including a P on the left side and a F on the right side of the W "Wiener Neustädter Patronen Fabrik" thanks to Melk in Austria
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1895 with modified hilt. The pommel ahs been inverted as have the grips. the slot and all attachments locks etc. have been welded up, it would appear that the grips were fixed before some of the welding/grinding took place, and it is not possible to determine at what time the modifications were made]
More interestingly the frog on the scabbard appears to have been period modified by removing the original belt loop and replacing it with a strap and buckle arrangement. With the strap attached to the buckle a belt would not pass through the resulting loop. It would appear that the modification was done to allow it to attach to a ring, and it is suspected that this is to allow it to attach to a horses tack, possibly Hungarian
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1895 by HWF (unidentified) maker in original frog
Distinctive makers mark
Austrian Eagle stamp on ricasso
Frog stud shows similar mark
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1895 With Zeitler markings
1895 Zeitler Vien VIII ricasso marking
1895 crossed swords and Hammers are also Zeitler markings
Scabbard has MO makers mark
Grips have counter sunk rivet grips showing reworked nature of blade
added 21/12/03
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Dress 1895 no markings on blade
Has dummy press stud, there is no locking mechanism in the pommel
Press stud is brazed on
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1895 with Circle A ricasso mark |
   
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1912 by OEWG, many of these were exported but some were used by Austrian in WWI
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WWI ersatz bayonet, one of several variations for use on Austrian and German weapons. Very crude manufacture of bent and riveted steel strip. Originally made without scabbards this one has been mated to an Austrian fighting knife scabbard, but will also fit an 1888 one
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An interesting variation on the Flat strip ersatz bayonet
this one has a quillion added as seen on other Austrian blades of the period
Tight quillion is similar in shape to that on the 1895 NCO, but is formed from thin rod spot welded on to the centre of the flat
Muzzle ring is 19mm for the Werndl rifle
Catch shows cut outs on both sides
Original Austrian Frog and scabbard
Frog stud has a serial number B 31
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Erstaz type for the 1895 Mannlicher rifle. This variant uses a cross guard similar to the 1895 bayonet but much cruder but using the same twin rivet fixing method. The scabbard has the brass frog stud and finial normally found on the Turkish M1917 ersatz. This is not the first of these found in this style of scabbard. Markings on the blade were restricted to two areas of damage from the clamps used to twist the blade.
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1972 Glock knife there are several variations to this blade.
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Black version of the Glock, both use an adaptor to fit to the rifle
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GERMANY
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Siamese 1888 used by German units in WWI
Condition of blade, provenance of the blade and this W spine mark are what makes the assumption that this is a German used one possible. Siamese blades do not normally have the W spine marking
Hilt and double edged blade
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I believe this is a Serb 1910 that has been de-ringed.
Only marking is this on the spine
I have included comparison pictures of the hilt with that of an 1895the pommels are slightly longer, the cross guard appears to be the same as the 1895 but the blade is mounted normal way around and the grips are shaped unlike the Chilean 1895 that has edge down but straight grips
Scabbard has German style frog stud, but has twin throat screws.
Frog seems to be a modification of a WWI Austrian frog made for German 84/98 scabbards, it has however 2 (rusted away) rivets on the rear face
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kS98 model
Script F mark on cross guard is unit designation for Fernsprech (Telegraph) units (thanks Allan Herbison for the correction)
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G98 shortened to 12" with shortened late pattern steel scabbard, these are referenced in Carters book on the G98 but are usually marked as Naval issue this one is not
Shortening of blade and scabbard is done to much higher standard than on the Turkish 10" shortened blades
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Dress version of 71/84 bayonet
symmetrical cross guard has no residual muzzle ring
the pommel has no provision for mounting to a rifle
Fuller is signed but i cannot make out the signature
WKC makers mark
wear on locket of scabbard shows that the bayonet has been well worn
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Single Etched dress knife - PIONEER pattern, similar to the 84/98 in style
Etching on blade is commemoration of the owners time in service, the wear on the blade and scabbard shows this blade was carried and not just a draw item
Clearly visible frog wear on scabbard
Puma maker is rarer maker for these types of blades
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S14 made by Bayard, these always come in the Ersatz style scabbard as the blade thickness is such as to prevent the use of the S14 pattern scabbard
Makers mark
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1914 pattern bayonets, upper version has heavily ground blade removing fullers and markings, normal steel scabbard has been adjusted to still retain blade.
Comparison of blade thickness of altered and unaltered 1914. There is no apparent reason for this conversion, one suggestion is that it was thinned to be used a boning knife as it gives it the characteristics of that type of butchers blade
Mick O'Shea in Australia reports owning a similarly converted blade, so it is not a one off conversion.
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Gottscho bayonet, one of the Ersatz WWI bayonets made in limited numbers and not a very successful design
One piece grips
Inspection mark
Often described as a light bulb mark (with admitted unknown reasons) the Gottscho mark is now seen more reasonably as a ladle used in the steel making process's
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Three uncommon blades in one:
a Saxon marked 71/84,
original steel scabbard
DOA - German West Africa unit marks
Originally a Saxon issued piece, this bayonet was withdrawn and re issued for the use of the Askari troops in west Africa in WWI. The officers and NCO's used the KS98 - see my example - while the native troops were issued with the 71/84 and these bayonets. Although more of these would have been issued, they are the harder of the issue blades to find, probably as the troops used them as tools after the war, not souvenirs. |
   
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Converted 1866
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Narrow bladed 84-98. These are pre war bayonets and relatively uncommon and little is known about them.
Lock stud has a construction number that will be found copied on grips etc. if you dismantle one, its similarity to the scabbard number is coincidental as it is a standard 84/98 by J Sch in 1939 with normal serial on it.
Blade tip profile is not the same as a normal 84/98 being narrower and more pointed, the slight blade width is evident on the picture of this blade laid on top of a normal 84/98
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43/44asw 84/98
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84/98aA made from a converted trials 71/84. The 1885 spine date and the twin makers mark show this is one of the original trials bayonets which would have had an external leaf spring not the later internal coil spring. The rarity of the original trials bayonets is explained by their conversion to the these 84/98's
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EB49 Ersatz bayonet with its muzzle ring removed (a rare variation of a rare ersatz model)
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84/98 mS early version without flash guard, Herder made example has no acceptance marks on spine or pommel, Erfurt made ones have a W over 15 spine mark and pommel acceptance marks. Very few of these were made.
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An Austrian 1895 accepted in German service with the WaA on the pommel, the style of stamp would indicate that this is pre WWII
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M1884/98 with original leather scabbard
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M84/98 sawback in leather scabbard
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84/98 with sawback removed
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Close up of G98 with sawback removed and chroming, showing sawback removal. Sawbacks were removed form German blades after 1917
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M84/98 2nd model NCO sawback
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S/244.36 marked 84/98
Close up of ricasso markings, also showing replaced grips and frog stud - any ideas as to what the button is?
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Cut down 84-98 with a less common Australian Frog
Herder made blade in 1939, matching blade and scabbard
Double edged blade grind with fuller removed
Cut down pommel has removed locking mechanism for attachment to rifle
Light Horse? originally issued frog
Uncommon maker
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Polish M39 bayonet used by German Kreigsmarine unit
RADOM manufactured with low serial number of "20"
Only German marking on Blade is the WaA on the blade spine
Significance of grip marks and whether German or Polish is unknown
1940 date on Kregsmarine frog
Painted mark on frog is similar to unit marks found on the front of German vehicles of the time (ID please?)
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Kreigsmarine frog with hilt strap
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French 1886 Lebel shortened for use by the Germans with a period shortened scabbard having a domed end riveted into the base of the scabbard
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84/98 ptIII marked for Naval use
Matching Horster 1939 marks and unit markings N10205k. Indicating use by Nord (North) Sea unit
Matching serial numbers
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M84/98 3rd model ELITE DIAMANTE
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M84/98 3rd model
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42 cvl marked WWII model with frog
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S242G 84/98
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S244 36 marked 84/98
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84/98 marked 44FFC
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84/98 non matching
1941 CRS made
with Tr serial
84/98 frog
1941 dated frog
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84/98 CLC44 very crudely made compared to normal/earlier manufacture, with very evident grinding marks on the blade and no blueing, By 1944 press studs were not being inspector stamped so this is probably a reused item
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Austrian made 84/98 III bym 43 marked scabbard
WaA on the pommel are inverted, typical for this maker
bym ricasso marks of Austrian made 84-98
matching serial on the scabbard
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Commercial 84/98 as used by Police units and as a private purchase piece by officers, this is a late war model judging by quality
Made by Alcosso
Crude scabbard welding shows late war period manufacture
Complete lack of any inspection stamps
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So called sneak bayonet, made to by pass allied rulings on arms manufacture, ostensibly for export use, may were used by Germany. May also be found with a muzzle ring
Metal parts are un-blued and there is no flash guard
And no makers marks
or serial number marks on blades
no visible WaA stamps or acceptance marks
Not even on the scabbard
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Unmarked 84/98 with very rough finish. The blade was apparently taken from the saddle bags of a BMW motorcycle sidecar combo left in a French barn since WWII
There are no markings on the blade or other exposed area of the blade
there is a total lack of acceptance marks etc.
Bayonet has red composite grips
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SGX 44 marked riveted grips 84/98
opposite grip view of rivets
SGX 44 ricasso marks, the very rough finish of the blade is also apparent
Blade came in a Polish made scabbard
Another view of the poor surface finish of the blade
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84/89 PtIII late model with riveted grips
Rivets and 44asw makers mark clearly visible, 44 related to 1944 date
Matching serials on blade and scabbard.. Blade is Vet bring back and frog was with blade when "rescued" late in WWII
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Fighting knife made from a cut down czechVZ24, came in early pre 1940 production 84/98 scabbard with 1940 marked frog
comparison of fighter with full length un modified bayonet
Interestingly the scabbard is only marked with a serial number on the back face for the throat
1940 dated frog
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Dress KS98, these came in various styles with and without etchings, they are a collecting field all of their own but not one that I am overly interested in
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Dress
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Fireman Bayonet, similar to the KS dress bayonets but with the distinctive s shaped crossguard. This is the less common pioneer bladed version. These do not have any method of mounting on a rilfe.
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Eickhorn made KCB for the M16, blade has just the Eickhorn Squirrel so is an original early version
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M7 styled commercial
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Commercial Short there are a large number of variations on this style of blade, with and without wire cutters and sawback. They were made to fit onto nearly all rifles available in the 70's and 80's including the AK47
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Commercial bayonet, long version with saw back and wire cutter attachments
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KCB style dagger without rifle fittings for use as a fighting knife
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SS Fantasy Blade based on Standard Mauser Blade
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G36 a AKM bayonet modified for use with the G36 assault rifle
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Early pattern G3 bayonet with grooved wooden grips and Danish M8 style scabbard with the wood grain finish.
Commonly known as the Rheinmettal G3 these were made by Eickhorn and a similar bayonet with a different pommel was made for the M16 rifle
thanks to Bill porter for the extra info
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Totally unmarked I believe this is either a German G3 bayonet or one of their fro export. THe bayonet is completely unmarked
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Eickhorn made prototype KCB bayonet for the SIG series of rifles, with the distinctive pommel catch
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Duisberg Demag (fake)
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